With all of the new EFIS(Electronic flight Instrumentation Systems), has
anyone seen one that stores the flight path for replay? It looks like all of
the information is there, and this would be a tremendous help in instrument
instructing, or even "pattern review". If downloaded to a simulator on a pc,
this would be a good help answer post flight review questions. Al CFIAMI

You have to have filed an IFR flight plan, but...

http://flightaware.com/analysis/route.rvt

Best Regards,
Todd

In rec.aviation.ifr Al > wrote:
> With all of the new EFIS(Electronic flight Instrumentation Systems), has
> anyone seen one that stores the flight path for replay? It looks like all of
> the information is there, and this would be a tremendous help in instrument
> instructing, or even "pattern review". If downloaded to a simulator on a pc,
> this would be a good help answer post flight review questions. Al CFIAMI


My ancient Garmin 195 will record the flight track and allow it it be
downloaded to a PC. I assume most more recent handheld GPS units can as
well. One of those features that you can get on a handheld, but can't get
in any panel mount, IFR certified GPS units.

Unfortunately, my 195 will only record horizontal information. Don't know
if newer handhelds might record altitude information.

--
Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
Hood River, OR

Here's the link to the animation of the Nike plane with the landing
gear problem, landing at Hillsboro, OR

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N225GV

It was a long day, with lots of holds!

Best Regards,
Todd

Chartcase: http://www.flightprep.com/rootpage.php?page=HomeEFBSW

Records tracks, including speed and altitude. At least the
data is in the track file. Their display is basically just
the route as a static trail of bread crumbs, at least in the
current release. Possibly they plan to do more with it in
the future.

On 12/19/2005 12:34 PM, Frank Stutzman wrote the following:
> In rec.aviation.ifr Al > wrote:
>
>> With all of the new EFIS(Electronic flight Instrumentation Systems), has
>>anyone seen one that stores the flight path for replay? It looks like all of
>>the information is there, and this would be a tremendous help in instrument
>>instructing, or even "pattern review". If downloaded to a simulator on a pc,
>>this would be a good help answer post flight review questions. Al CFIAMI
>
>
>
> My ancient Garmin 195 will record the flight track and allow it it be
> downloaded to a PC. I assume most more recent handheld GPS units can as
> well. One of those features that you can get on a handheld, but can't get
> in any panel mount, IFR certified GPS units.
>
> Unfortunately, my 195 will only record horizontal information. Don't know
> if newer handhelds might record altitude information.
>

"Al" > writes:

> With all of the new EFIS(Electronic flight Instrumentation Systems), has
>anyone seen one that stores the flight path for replay? It looks like all of
>the information is there, and this would be a tremendous help in instrument
>instructing, or even "pattern review". If downloaded to a simulator on a pc,
>this would be a good help answer post flight review questions. Al CFIAMI

I created an incredibly simple GPS playback mechanism. It just showed
the position on a moving sectional image and printed the speed, etc.
but I can certainly see how it would be useful.

It should be fairly simple to feed GPS data ingo FlightGear. I'll be
surprised if someone hasn't done it already but I don't recall hearing
of it.

--kyler

Kyler Laird wrote:
> "Al" > writes:
>
> > With all of the new EFIS(Electronic flight Instrumentation Systems), has
> >anyone seen one that stores the flight path for replay? It looks like all of
> >the information is there, and this would be a tremendous help in instrument
> >instructing, or even "pattern review". If downloaded to a simulator on a pc,
> >this would be a good help answer post flight review questions. Al CFIAMI
>
> I created an incredibly simple GPS playback mechanism. It just showed
> the position on a moving sectional image and printed the speed, etc.
> but I can certainly see how it would be useful.
>
> It should be fairly simple to feed GPS data ingo FlightGear. I'll be
> surprised if someone hasn't done it already but I don't recall hearing
> of it.
>
> --kyler

I write the same thing for my Pocket PC a year or so ago. It takes as
input a (manually) geo-referenced .jpg of a map and a text file of raw
NMEA data from my GPS. I could spend a little time cleaning it up for
public consumption if there's interest.

-R

Rob wrote:
> I write the same thing for my Pocket PC a year or so ago.

Errr... that should say "wrote" the same thing.

-R

GPS would be great, but how about attitude info? If I can replay a students
instrument approach, I can point out how the a/c attitude and heading
wandered all over the place, followed by altitude & heading. I picture a
flight sim reflying the lesson. I don't know if any of the current systems
offer a USB port or SD card slot for output. It would seem an easy thing to
sample the GPS/Airdata/Ratedata every couple of ms and put it out to a
card/port.

By the way Kyler, I have for several years enjoyed your sectionals.

Al CFIAMI



"Kyler Laird" > wrote in message
...
> "Al" > writes:
>
>> With all of the new EFIS(Electronic flight Instrumentation Systems),
>> has
>>anyone seen one that stores the flight path for replay? It looks like all
>>of
>>the information is there, and this would be a tremendous help in
>>instrument
>>instructing, or even "pattern review". If downloaded to a simulator on a
>>pc,
>>this would be a good help answer post flight review questions. Al
>>CFIAMI
>
> I created an incredibly simple GPS playback mechanism. It just showed
> the position on a moving sectional image and printed the speed, etc.
> but I can certainly see how it would be useful.
>
> It should be fairly simple to feed GPS data ingo FlightGear. I'll be
> surprised if someone hasn't done it already but I don't recall hearing
> of it.
>
> --kyler

I use my Garmin eTrex handheld to store flight details. The data can be
downloaded to a computer.

The data consists of a series of lines with data e.g.:
Latitude Longitude Altitude Date Time
Duration Miles mph
N52°01.9574' E001°14.9907' 3693.7 07/10/2005 08:47:38 0 0:36:16
30.462 130.4

This can be imported into a spreadsheet to plot speed/time, height/time, and
location.

Garmin also provide a map function on a CD with the eTrex, that can show the
course plot.

Alternatively you can use a free application like GPSU, to get a course
overlayed on a scanned-in map, from http://www.gpsu.co.uk/.

Steven


"Al" > wrote in message
news:1135013678.12351f0117238d0d81fe8dc627be130d@r oc.usenetexchange.com...
> With all of the new EFIS(Electronic flight Instrumentation Systems),
> has anyone seen one that stores the flight path for replay? It looks like
> all of the information is there, and this would be a tremendous help in
> instrument instructing, or even "pattern review". If downloaded to a
> simulator on a pc, this would be a good help answer post flight review
> questions. Al CFIAMI
>

On 12/19/05 12:34 PM, in article
enetexchange.com, "Al"
> wrote:

> With all of the new EFIS(Electronic flight Instrumentation Systems), has
> anyone seen one that stores the flight path for replay? It looks like all of
> the information is there, and this would be a tremendous help in instrument
> instructing, or even "pattern review". If downloaded to a simulator on a pc,
> this would be a good help answer post flight review questions. Al CFIAMI
>
>

I've saved a trip of driving info from my new Lowrance 2000c to the SD card
and my PC and played with the file here:
http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/
Very cool. Haven't had a chance to fly and play with the tracks yet.

Odd thing, the GPS track didn't match the Map Create 6 street map that came
with the unit, but when I played with the file on Google Earth, G.E. map
view was was dead on, down to showing the slight curve in my driveway in the
correct relation to the street.
--
Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino

Cartoons with a Touch of Magic�
http://www.wizardofdraws.com

More Cartoons with a Touch of Magic�
http://www.cartoonclipart.com

"Al" > wrote in message
news:1135013678.12351f0117238d0d81fe8dc627be130d@r oc.usenetexchange.com...
> With all of the new EFIS(Electronic flight Instrumentation Systems),
> has anyone seen one that stores the flight path for replay? It looks like
> all of the information is there, and this would be a tremendous help in
> instrument instructing, or even "pattern review". If downloaded to a
> simulator on a pc, this would be a good help answer post flight review
> questions. Al CFIAMI

Is this what you're looking for? http://www.appareo.com/

-Mike

"Al" > writes:

>GPS would be great, but how about attitude info?

Have you seen the "HSI simulators" on modern handheld GPS systems? There
is a lot you can do with the data from a GPS, especially if you're just
trying to play back an instrument approach. The attitude can be estimated
fairly well from GPS data unless you're doing loops on the localizer.

>I don't know if any of the current systems
>offer a USB port or SD card slot for output. It would seem an easy thing to
>sample the GPS/Airdata/Ratedata every couple of ms and put it out to a
>card/port.

I'm more of a build-it-myself (instead of wait-for-some-manufacturer-to-
want-to-do-it) kind of guy. I use a Garmin module with an RS-232 output.
I also have a Bluetooth GPS. Either could easily go to something like my
Gumstix
http://www.gumstix.com/products.html
which could capture the data to an SD. (I originally bought the Gumstix
to capture cockpit audio for my wife's research project. 'twould be fun
to hook it up to record from the intercom for your application too.)

> By the way Kyler, I have for several years enjoyed your sectionals.

I appreciate hearing that. I should be resuming the updates soon. It
took awhile of subscription lapse to learn that people (besides simulator
guys) were using them and I'm working with a sponsor to resubscribe.

--kyler

"Mike Murdock" > wrote in message
...
> "Al" > wrote in message
> news:1135013678.12351f0117238d0d81fe8dc627be130d@r oc.usenetexchange.com...
>> With all of the new EFIS(Electronic flight Instrumentation Systems),
>> has anyone seen one that stores the flight path for replay? It looks like
>> all of the information is there, and this would be a tremendous help in
>> instrument instructing, or even "pattern review". If downloaded to a
>> simulator on a pc, this would be a good help answer post flight review
>> questions. Al CFIAMI
>
> Is this what you're looking for? http://www.appareo.com/
>
> -Mike

Yes. The output is exactly what I was thinking of. I was thinking of an
output port on the EFIS systems, maybe even including engine or
configuration information. Something like a mini flight recorder. I had not
considered making it a stand alone unit, but this makes it very flexible.
Use it in any aircraft. Use it on models. Use it where no power supply
exists, like gliders. Heck, tape it to the side of half pipe bicycle riders.
One could use this anywhere things were going to happen quickly, in several
dimensions, and you want know what happened.
Thanks for the link. How did you learn of this?

Al

> Thanks for the link. How did you learn of this?
>
> Al

I saw it at Oshkosh this year. They had a unit connected to a PC. You
could pick up the unit and rotate it a few degrees, or translate it a few
inches and the PC screen tracked its motion precisely. Very impressive.

-Mike

I wrote:

>Have you seen the "HSI simulators" on modern handheld GPS systems? There
>is a lot you can do with the data from a GPS, especially if you're just
>trying to play back an instrument approach. The attitude can be estimated
>fairly well from GPS data unless you're doing loops on the localizer.

I've been thinking about this more. It's not so clear to me that attitude
can be estimated well enough to use for evaluating a student's approach.

I'm thinking that the exact problems you're trying to identify (using pitch
vs. power for altitude control, etc.) are going to cause problems for
estimation.

I still think there's a lot of use for GPS-only data and that it's a whole
lot easier to collect than attitude info, but it's not likely to be
sufficient for all that you were wanting.

--kyler

You can absolutely do it. Use a Garmin 296 or 396 during your
flight...download the track into Mapsource software and replay and then
if you want to be really fancy you can plot it on Google earth with
software from this site:

http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/

also check out

http://web.295.ca/gpz550/TrackerGE/

there are some neat samples on both sites

The Chelton Flight Logic system logs 19 parameters once every second. Data
is in comma-delimited format, and can be transferred to a data card. I
don't know if there is some way to represent this information in a pictoral
format.

Bernie


"Mike Murdock" > wrote in message
...
> "Al" > wrote in message
> news:1135013678.12351f0117238d0d81fe8dc627be130d@r oc.usenetexchange.com...
>> With all of the new EFIS(Electronic flight Instrumentation Systems),
>> has anyone seen one that stores the flight path for replay? It looks like
>> all of the information is there, and this would be a tremendous help in
>> instrument instructing, or even "pattern review". If downloaded to a
>> simulator on a pc, this would be a good help answer post flight review
>> questions. Al CFIAMI
>
> Is this what you're looking for? http://www.appareo.com/
>
> -Mike
>

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:34:38 +0000, "Al"
> wrote:

>With all of the new EFIS(Electronic flight Instrumentation Systems), has
>anyone seen one that stores the flight path for replay? It looks like all of
>the information is there, and this would be a tremendous help in instrument
>instructing, or even "pattern review". If downloaded to a simulator on a pc,
>this would be a good help answer post flight review questions.

I use my Garmin GPS III Pilot in Little Thumb mode and plot the trail
in OziExplorer, using scanned Jeppesen charts.

See
<http://www.panoramix.demon.nl/pics/040220 jep.jpg>
<http://www.panoramix.demon.nl/pics/040711 IFR.jpg>
<http://www.panoramix.demon.nl/pics/040714 IFR.jpg>

The last one was my IFR checkride one year ago.

Rene

--
Never underestimate the stupidity of people in large groups

Comma delimited format [ CSV ] should import into EXCEL and
you could graph it as pie or bar charts.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"baltobernie" > wrote in message
news:32htf.359$yW1.158@trnddc05...
| The Chelton Flight Logic system logs 19 parameters once
every second. Data
| is in comma-delimited format, and can be transferred to a
data card. I
| don't know if there is some way to represent this
information in a pictoral
| format.
|
| Bernie
|
|
| "Mike Murdock" > wrote in message
| ...
| > "Al" > wrote in message
| >
news:1135013678.12351f0117238d0d81fe8dc627be130d@r oc.usenetexchange.com...
| >> With all of the new EFIS(Electronic flight
Instrumentation Systems),
| >> has anyone seen one that stores the flight path for
replay? It looks like
| >> all of the information is there, and this would be a
tremendous help in
| >> instrument instructing, or even "pattern review". If
downloaded to a
| >> simulator on a pc, this would be a good help answer
post flight review
| >> questions. Al CFIAMI
| >
| > Is this what you're looking for?
http://www.appareo.com/
| >
| > -Mike
| >
|
|